Heads up, Kansas City: I’m coming to town next week. For the
first time…well…ever, I’m going to be attending baseball games at Kauffman
Stadium in September. Maybe it’s a long shot, but a long shot is better than no
shot, which is what we’ve been stuck with for a decade. Meaningful baseball in
Kansas City after Labor Day is something to be savored, and I want to be there.
Hopefully many of you will want to be there too. I’m still working out the
details with 810 WHB, but hopefully we’ll be able to set up some sort of
meet-and-greet where I can get the chance to say hi to many of you. Stay tuned
to my Twitter feed for more details.
And if the Royals are still in the race two weeks later, I
might come back to town from September 20-22, the next-to-last weekend of the
season. And as luck should have it, if the Royals somehow find themselves
mathematically alive with three games left, the final series of the season is
here in Chicago. If the Royals are playing for something, I hope some of you
can make the trek up and we’ll turn U.S. Cellular Field a lovely shade of blue.
On to your questions. The general theme of your questions is
that, while you’re all pleased that the Royals are relevant again, you’re
already turning towards next year, and with quite a bit of concern. I share
your sentiments.
AJ Exner (@AJExner):
What is your ideal 5-man rotation come 2014?
Well, this is really the big question for 2014, isn’t it?
The Royals seem to regard 2013 as a stepping stone – let’s not get into Dayton
Moore’s whole “ahead of schedule” bunk, as I really don’t want to add
hypertension to my list of problems – and seem to think that if they win 85
games this year, this will position them perfectly to win 90-95 games next
year, much as Terry Ryan’s Minnesota Twins went 85-77 in 2001, and then 94-67
in 2002, winning the first of six division titles in nine years.
I imagine that thinking is predicated on the notion that a
young offense will continue to improve, and that’s a reasonable expectation,
given that last I checked the Royals still had the third-youngest offense in
baseball, older than only the Astros and (surprisingly, perhaps) the Braves.
The problem is that the offense will probably have to
improve A LOT if the Royals are going to take a step forward next year, because
the pitching staff will almost certainly be worse. The Royals have the best ERA in the
AL. That is amazing, and impressive, and almost certain not to be repeated next
year.
Here are the starters that are under contract for next year,
in order of the starts they’ve made for the Royals this year:
James Shields (28)
Jeremy Guthrie (26)
Wade Davis (24)
Luis Mendoza (15)
Danny Duffy (3)
Will Smith (1)
Santana and Bruce Chen are free agents, and they’ve combined
for 261 innings and a 3.08 ERA this year. That’s going to be tough to replace.
On the other hand, Davis has a 5.67 ERA, Mendoza has a 5.06 ERA, and the Royals
should be able to improve on their performance quite easily. (Remember, they
have one of the best defenses in baseball.)
If you just focus on their performance as starters, they’ve
combined for 74 starts and a 4.14 ERA. The ERA shouldn’t be hard to match, but
the sheer quantity starts will be difficult to replace. The Royals will have Duffy all season,
although it’s a question whether they’ll allow him to make 32 starts or whether
they’ll get spooked by his elbow surgery and hold his innings back past the
limits of common sense. (Also known as “pulling a Strasburg”.) I’d like to see
what Will Smith could do in the rotation, given the impressive strides he’s
made as a pitcher the last two years – but he hasn’t started a game at any
level since June 2nd, and precisely because he’s been so successful as a
reliever, the Royals might not want to give up their security blanket.
This isn’t on the Royals alone; as Joe Sheehan recently
wrote in his Newsletter, the whole industry has been too quick to turn young starters
into relievers, and not long relievers: short relievers who throw an inning at
a time, which makes the process of refashioning them back into starters fraught
with peril. (Think Alexi Ogando, Neftali Feliz, Joba Chamberlain, or hell, Wade
Davis.) I’d like to see the Royals give Smith a chance to win a rotation spot
next spring, but if they don’t do it then, you might as well abandon the idea
altogether – at that point Smith would have no more chance of becoming a
starter again than Aaron Crow does.
So the Royals basically have three starters they can use for
next year – and Guthrie, at least, is walking a tightrope every time out. His
ERA this year is 4.19, but his xFIP is 4.62 and his FIP is 4.87. I’m not saying
he can’t continue to outpitch his peripherals – he’s always had a
lower-than-average BABIP, and with his high-contact style of pitching, he’s
benefited from the outstanding defense as much as anyone. I will continue to
#EmbraceTheLuck. But I will also acknowledge that he’s going to be 35 next
year, and if he loses even a little bit of effectiveness, he’s going to be a
lot less effective, if that make sense.
Regardless, the Royals need at least two starters for next
year. I would not be surprised if one of them is Bruce Chen. Barring a terrible
September, Chen has probably positioned himself for a similar contract to the
one he’s finishing, maybe for a little more money – 2 years and $12 million,
say. He’s not as good a pitcher as what he’s shown this year, but then he’s not
as bad as he was last year, when he had a 5.07 ERA despite a career-high
strikeout-to-walk ratio of better than 3-to-1.
It won’t be a terrible move if they do resign him; he’ll be
37, but maybe he really is the second coming of Jamie Moyer. But I still
wouldn’t expect him to replicate this year’s performance. And that leaves one
more rotation spot open – and keep in mind that we’re not accounting for
injuries, ineffectiveness, etc; you really need to go into spring training with
at least seven viable starters.
I would not be surprised if the Royals try to open next
season with Davis and/or Mendoza in the rotation again. I would be surprised if
that doesn’t end badly.
I think the Royals would love to have Kyle Zimmer or Yordano
Ventura win a rotation spot in the spring. Realistically, I don’t think either
one will be ready until mid-season, and I see them more as insurance policies
for when someone in the rotation inevitably needs to be replaced, sort of like
what Duffy was this year. (Except for the whole “let’s wait to replace the guy with the
5.67 ERA until the end of August” thing.).
So that leaves them doing the same thing they did last
winter: find a veteran starting pitcher that’s either a free agent or a
bounce-back candidate they can get cheaply in trade. The Royals did both last
year; Guthrie’s been about what they expected, while Santana is perhaps the
greatest trade of Moore’s career. The good news is that they probably only have
to do it once; the bad news is that it’s hard to believe they’ll get anyone as
good as Santana has been.
The Royals’ rotation ranks 6th in the AL with a 3.93 ERA,
and 4th in the AL with 6.11 innings per start. Given the resources on hand,
they’ll be hard-pressed to match those rankings next year.
Yooper_IA
(@Yooper_IA): If the Royals market their bullpen for other pieces, what can
they get since many believe bullpens can be built internally?
Here’s the other, maybe bigger, reason why I think the
pitching staff as a whole won’t be as good next season: the Royals have the
best bullpen in the AL, and given the inherent variability in relievers from
one year to the next, it’s very difficult to maintain that kind of quality in
back-to-back season. (Note: Atlanta excepted.)
Did I say the Royals have the best bullpen in the AL this
year? I’m sorry – I mean they have the best bullpen in the AL in the last 23 years. The bullpen has a
combined 2.57 ERA, a mark not matched by an AL team since the 1990 A’s had a
2.35 ERA. No other team in the AL has a bullpen ERA under 3.00. The Royals
could have the best bullpen ERA again next year and STILL decline
significantly. Regression’s going to be a bitch.
Given that the bullpen’s going to decline anyway, you might
as well trade some of those guys before they regress for help elsewhere. The
problem, as you state, is that except for the elite, most relievers don’t bring
in a ton in trade. I think one of the bullpen guys could be a nice second or
third piece to get a trade for a position player done, and I would be fine with
that.
But if you’re going to trade a reliever by himself for
impact, it pretty much has to be Greg Holland. Closers can still fetch talent,
and sometimes they can even bring in a major league-ready position player. Mark
Melancon for Jed Lowrie-plus. Andrew Bailey for Josh Reddick-plus. Matt Capps for
Wilson Ramos.
Yes, it would hurt to lose Holland, who is having
pitch-for-pitch the best season by a Royals reliever ever. His 1.38 ERA is just
a point behind Jeff Montgomery’s 1.37 ERA as the lowest in Royals history for
someone with 40+ innings. His .179 batting average against is 5th all-time, and
one of the four guys ahead of him is himself two years ago. And his 41.5%
strikeout rate is off-the-charts ahead of anyone else in team history; the
next-best rate is 31.5%.
But here’s the thing: even the best closers rarely maintain
their effectiveness for very long. As Buster Olney has pointed out, 27 of the
30 closers in baseball didn’t have the job with their current team two years
ago. Matt Klaassen mentioned John Axford as a point of comparison; while
Holland’s been a little better than Axford was in 2010-11, it’s close, and
Axford has been a shell of his former greatness the last two years. (And like
Holland, Axford sort of came out of nowhere to be an elite reliever for two
years.)
Furthermore, it’s not like the Royals don’t have options to
close. One of the three guys with a better batting average against than Holland
is…Luke Hochevar, against whom hitters are batting .172 this year. I’m not
advocating that the Royals make Hochevar their closer next year…no, wait, I AM
advocating that, and no, I can’t believe it either. All due respect to the
Royals for salvaging an excellent reliever out of the game’s worst starter.
And behind Hochevar, they have Collins, and Herrera looks
like he’s fixed, and Louis Coleman has a 0.39 ERA and is in Wilmington for the
week because they can’t find a spot for him, and Aaron Crow has been on the
roster all year and they’ve only found 43 innings for him to pitch. If Will
Smith is a reliever now, well, Will Smith looks like a hell of a reliever. And let’s
not forget that Wade Davis was fantastic in the bullpen last year, and like
Hochevar, maybe that’s just the place for him.
So trade Holland. Maybe there’s a team out there with a need
for a closer and a second baseman to spare. The bullpen is going to be worse either way; at least this way you might be able to compensate by making a big offensive upgrade.
Tate Christgen
(@TateCinKC): What are the chances they deal a top five prospect for a 2B or
RF? If so, what are the chance Dayton Moore gets strangled?
Well, first off, they
don’t have a top five prospect. I don’t mean that as an insult – I mean
that in the sense that my specific objections to the Wil Myers trade involved a
particular set of circumstances that can’t be replicated this year.
Hard as it may be to believe, I don’t have an objection to
trading prospects for established talent. I do have an objection to trading
prospects when they are top five overall prospects, when they are hitting prospects
(and much less likely to get hurt or mysteriously lose their stuff), and when they are major league-ready
themselves. Myers was as close to a sure thing as there is in the minors and he was ready to help the Royals in 2013.
The Royals simply have no one who fits that description for 2014. Few teams do.
Which is to say, not only would I be fine if the Royals
trade one of their top prospects for a real solution at second base or right
field (or, I suppose, in the rotation), I would actively encourage it. Look at
their top prospects, in no particular order:
- Raul Mondesi just turned 18. He’s two years from the
majors. He might be a monster when he arrives – I could see him being a Top 20
or 30 prospect overall – but if you get an appropriate return, you can help
your team significantly in 2014 and 2015 for a player unlikely to help you until
2016.
- Yordano Ventura is a pitcher. Who stands 5’11”. And has
command issues.
- Kyle Zimmer is a pitcher. Who had to end his season a
little early because of minor arm issues. Again.
- Bubba Starling is already 21, and just in A-ball, and
while I think he’s quietly re-established himself as a prospect again (more on
that in a future column), there’s a ton of risk here.
- Jorge Bonifacio might be the guy I’d be most reluctant to
trade, in that I think he’s 90% of the prospect Myers was – he just turned 20
in June, he’s in Double-A already, and despite breaking a bone in his hand
earlier this year he’s recovered and is hitting .301/.371/.441 since he was
promoted to Northwest Arkansas. But even he’s not a can’t-miss.
And look, if you traded for Shields to be all-in for 2013
and 2014, then you’re all-in for 2014. If 2013 really is a stepping stone year,
then anything short of a playoff berth next year will be a failure. I suggested
something along the lines of Ventura for Howie Kendrick at the trade deadline,
and I’d certainly be willing to trade him for an above-average regular at a
position of need.
I don’t have detailed trade proposals for you at the moment.
But the general principle is fine. The Royals, as constituted right now,
probably aren’t good enough to win in 2014. But they’re close enough to it that
trading future talent for present talent this winter isn’t just warranted, it’s
practically a necessity.
Eric Loes
(@LoesEric): Thoughts on possibly bringing Beltran back to play right field.
Make sense? Possible?
Make sense? Hell yeah. Beltran will be 37 next year, but
he’s hitting .310/.343/.526 for the Cardinals this year; his 138 OPS+ is
actually higher than he had at any point when he was with the Royals. He has
about as broad a skill set as you can possibly have; he’s one of just eight
players in history with 300 homers and 300 steals. Interestingly, he actually
has the lowest walk rate of his career. Generally, hitters walk more late in
their careers, as they learn to compensate for the loss of bat speed by
swinging less. The fact that Beltran is not
swinging less – but still hitting for a high average – makes me think that he
still has that adjustment in his bag if he needs it. If he’ll sign another deal
similar to the one he’s on now (2 years, $26 million), I would jump on it.
Here’s the thing: the argument so many made in favor of
trading for Shields was that by making the Royals more respectable this season,
it would make them a more favored destination for free agents in the future.
Beltran – a still-excellent player who has made a ton of money in the game and
probably wants to win more than anything else at this point – is a perfect test
case for this theory. If Beltran signs with the Royals, and does so in part
because of their record in 2013, I will grant you that this would be a fringe
benefit of the Shields trade that I have not really accounted for. Mind you, if
Beltran signs with the Royals because they finish 85-77, he might have signed
with them if they finished 82-80 with the Rookie of the Year in right field.
But it’s at least something you can point to.
I’m skeptical that will happen, because there are a lot of
teams that look like they can win in 2014, and Beltran will probably sign with
the team that offers him the most money. Free agents usually do.
Matt Erickson (@MattEricksonKS): What in the world is up
with Alex Gordon’s L/R splits this year?
I’m already approaching 3000 words for a Five For Friday, so
let’s end with a quickie. Here’s Gordon’s splits this year:
vs. LHP: .316/.370/.532
vs. RHP: .246/.311/.374
Gordon has 21 extra-base hits vs. lefties in 171 at-bats,
and 24 extra-base hits vs. righties in 345 at-bats. It’s a huge difference.
And it’s almost certainly just random variation. For his
career, Gordon has hit .251/.321/.413 vs. LHP, .278/.356/.448 vs. RHP. If you
just want to consider his career since he rebuilt his swing, he was better
against right-handed pitching in both 2011 and 2012. In fact, last year his
splits were almost a mirror image of this year’s:
vs. LHP: .248/.311/.357
vs. RHP: .320/.398/.510
The difference is that you face roughly twice as many
right-handed pitchers as left-handed pitchers, so his overall numbers are down
significantly.
This happens sometimes. Not often, though. In fact, in
Retrosheet history (i.e. since 1946 or so, with isolated games going back to
1916), the difference between Gordon’s OPS vs. LHP (.903) and his overall OPS
(.757) is the fifth-highest of all time for a left-handed batter (min: 150 PA
vs. LHP):
Player Year OPS vs. LHP OPS overall Diff.
Garret Anderson 2000 1.010
.827
.183
Chase Utley 2010 1.003
.832
.171
Mo Vaughn 1999 1.032
.866
.166
Barry Bonds 2002 1.532 1.381 .151
Alex Gordon 2013 .903
.757
.146
(Looking at Barry Bonds’ numbers always make me laugh.) If
you go by percentage difference, Gordon moves up to third overall.
The thing is, if you look at their career numbers, all four
players hit RHP better than LHP. The platoon advantage is something inherent in
the game, in the kinetics of the swing and in the biology of the way the eyes
track a ball moving towards or away from you. (Mind you, the platoon advantage
does not always apply for pitchers.)
So I don’t think it means anything, other than that Gordon
is not one of those lefties who is completely helpless anytime a lefty
specialist who throws 87 but can spin a breaking ball comes into the game. It
may not be a coincidence that the other four guys all had long, successful
career. The ability to hit left-handed pitching this well, even in a small
sample size, is a pretty strong indicator that you’re a damn fine hitter.
And finally, and unfortunately, your bonus question:
Jared (@JWoodOMFS):
I’d like to see a short commentary on possible US intervention in Syria and
some details about Assad.
I’d really like to write a full-length column on Syria at
some point. I haven’t for a variety of reasons, the first one being that at
least back in 2011, I was concerned that writing about Syria
might jeopardize the security of family back home, or of my parents, who were
still venturing back and forth between America and Syria at the time.
That, in itself, should tell you something about the Syrian
government. One of the great tragedies of the Iraq War, in my opinion, is that
we as Americans are no longer as willing to acknowledge that true evil does
exist in the world, and true evil can not be eliminated by diplomacy or
political maneuvering. The Assad family is basically a mafia family in charge
of an entire country, only with less morals. They are responsible for the fact
that I’m writing to you about baseball, in English, from America: their
oppression of the Syrian people is responsible for the mass emigration of a
Syrian diaspora of literally millions of people over the last 40+ years,
including my parents, who had no intention of permanently settling in America
when they arrived for my father to perform his medical residency in 1970, and
who then had no intention of ever raising their children in Syria after they
returned to see what had become of the country by 1977.
Officially, over 100,000 people have been killed in the last
two and a half years; unofficially, I would be stunned if the true number
wasn’t double or even triple that, given the number of people who have simply
disappeared. The lucky ones are dead; the unlucky ones are being tortured in a
prison system that I would describe as medieval, except that they didn’t have
the benefits of technology in medieval times. The world has finally awoken to
the true nature of the Assad family after they used poison gas to kill about
1300 Syrian civilians, mostly women and children, and this wasn’t the first time
they used chemical warfare this year. There are 2 to 3 million Syrian refugees outside
the country right now. Mind you, the population of Syria before protests began
was about 23 million. So multiply these numbers by 12 or 13 to scale it to
America’s population, and you’ll get some idea of the degree of misery.
The rebels aren’t all perfect, which isn’t surprising when
the government responded to the initial non-violent protests with wholescale
murder, and when the only foreign entities willing to help were the
fundamentalist Arab governments of the Gulf region, who were more than happy to
provide money and weapons to people who were willing to subscribe to their
extremist ideologies. But the majority of the rebels are simple, moderate,
middle-class Syrians who are tired of watching their sons murdered, their
daughters raped, their brothers thrown into a dungeon for six months before his
barely-recognizable body is returned to their family.
I don’t know if I have the answers for you, largely because
the right answer was to have done something two years ago, before the
extremists gained ascendancy, before the conflict spilled into Lebanon and
Iraq, before hundreds of thousands lost their lives and millions lost their
homes. But no one did. One of the reasons why I am forcefully in favor of doing
something is that we’ve already seen
the fruits of doing nothing. We did something in Libya – not a lot, but enough,
and at the right time. Libya certainly still has its issues today, but it’s a
veritable paradise compared to Syria. We had two very similar situations in
2011 – two long-standing Arab dictators threatening genocide against a
population that had finally had enough. We saw two very different reactions
from the international community. In the country where foreign powers applied a
brief but effective military response, the dictator was neutralized and killed,
and the people are trying to dig themselves out of a half-century of
oppression. In the country where foreign powers did nothing, one of the great
international tragedies of the 21st century has unfolded.
Given that, I am at a loss to understand how people can look
at Libya and Syria and conclude that the solution to the Assad family’s latest
atrocity is to do nothing. But then, there’s a lot I don’t understand about politics.
Which is why I’m not a politician. Thank God.
16 comments:
I shudder when one of your recommendations is for GMDM to make a trade or sign a free agent, because I believe that he has a proven track record of poor choices in both those areas. The exceptionalness of ESantana this year is as much proof as the big trade and Yuni. And ultimately that is the overall source of my current pessimism, because I agree with you on what would bring the improvements we need, but do not expect GMDM to follow through successfully.
Is is so sad to hear what has happened to Rany's home country and those poor people, but sometimes, there are situations that outsiders cannot fix.
I doubt that Rany really knows that "the majority of the rebels are simple, moderate, middle-class Syrians," but even it that is is true, I don't think it means a win by the rebels will produce a good result. Unfortunately, even if the moderates are a majority, a rebel win will empower the extremists. They will win any power struggle among victorious rebels.
And, under what reasonable path will the rebels win? The Russians and Iran support Hassad. And what can the U.S. realistically do that would make it likely the rebels win?
As sad as it is, we cannot solve the problem of a country where bad people are fighting each other. Perhaps the evil in both sides eventually will burn itself out through war, but I don't think there realistically is anything the U.S. can do. It is awful for the Syrians, but the U.S. has to view things from our best interestes and, unfortunately, it may be in our best interest for this civil war to drag on with neither side prevailing. And, even if a more aggressive course by the U.S. would produce a good result, President Obama is not going to do that.
Syris, unfortunately, is doomed to suffer. Whose fault is that?
On a lighter note, Rany's take does not provide much optimism for 2014. It would be nice to see Beltran back, but I assume he will go to the highest bidder and someone will outbid us. If we want him bad enough (which I'm not sure is wise), we ought to offer more than anyone else and he will come.
Moore will not trade Holland. I realize intellectually it is a good move, but tough emotionally to give up a closer who is that good. Moore does not think in the manner that would result in the trade of Holland, although if he could get a 2b of a ss with pop, he should do so.
On the plus side, Moore realizes he needs to get to the playoffs next year, so he will do something to fill 2b or rf with a bat, and he might even spring for a top line pitcher.
On Syria, I just heard Oliver North of all people provide a plan that, if the U.S. had the commitment, might produce a better result. He said forget the dumb cruise missiles that accomplish little. Instead, we should fund 1,000 covert former military "contractors" with a ton of money to work with and develop a force of real Syrian freedom fighters. He, like Rany, believes there are such Syrians. President Obama will never do it and, while freedom loving Syrians would endorse it, since it took years and 100's of thousands of troops in Iraq to accomplish just an okay result, how could Syrian freedom fighters even with our support hope to win any type of lasting victory? Is it wrong to conclude the Muslim Middle East is so messed up that they just need to fight among themselves until they achieve a better day?
Rany, I am starting to think you should not post during winning streaks.
Somehow, I have a feeling the Red Sox are not going to trade Xander Bogaerts for Greg Holland. Although, given their track record the last two years, it couldn't hurt to ask. LOL
Don't blame the Iraq invasion for the unwillingness of some to believe that real evil exists in the world. No one who thinks that way now thought any different before the invasion, and would happily see Saddam and Uday and Qusay Hussein oppressing the Iraqi people and thinking how lucky Iraq is that no outsider ever ousted them.
It's playoff time in my fantasy league and I just dropped Gio Gonzalez to add Jarrod Dyson! Fortune favors the bold, I guess. Going to enjoy watching some Royals baseball this week, hoping for some sweet sweet Dyson moments on the basepaths.
Whatever happened to the United Nations? Whatever happened to the "new" freedom loving Russia?
Whatever happened to the thousands of foreign soldiers and officers we train in this nation for just this purpose?
Whatever happened to the wealthiest nation on Earth, Saudi Arabia?
No,it will be up to the unpopular United States and in this particular case my Air Force son to right the terrible wrongs of yet another evil regime.
Kinda of ironic, he just recently was given permission to wear his uniform when traveling.
"Whose fault is that?"
I would say the country that overthrew Iran's freely elected moderate government in 1953 to secure its oil interests, and has been arming and supporting thugs in the region ever since, bears some responsibility to the people suffering all over the ME.
If we have a responsibility to help, the question is how we can do so. Neither side is really the "good guys," right now, and it's hard to see how military intervention is going to put peaceful people in power. Certainly, cruise missiles alone aren't going to accomplish that. But why isn't anyone talking about humanitarian aid or evacuation of civilians? We don't necessarily need to kill people and blow things up to help the innocent people caught in the middle.
In addition, a lot of the things that might be done to help out wouldn't necessarily be publicized, so I am hopeful that we are doing something to help even if you don't read about it in the papers.
Those things are ideal and would be great in an "if only" kinda perfect world. But it doesn't really do much to eradicate the problem. So what really does..?
Unless Hos and Moose start functioning at the star level GMDM can do anything he wants and not much is going to change. They have to hit and hit with power.
The Syrian thing is a real tragedy, but it is time for someone else to step up to the plate. It would be nice if a moderate Arab state would assume some leadership, but as there aren't any such states that may be too much to ask for.
The Russians, for some unearthly reason, are indicating they will not appreciate any external moves made on Assad. Now that the British have packed it in Europe has ceased to be any factor on the world stage. General Petain would be very proud.
To be frank, the moderate Muslim community in America has failed to stand up and express any overt condemnation of Hussein, the Taliban, Iran, Assad, Gaddaffi, etc. When they complain "someone should do something" they should begin this sermon at home.
kcghost:
No moderate Arab states? Qater, UAE and Kuwait come to mind. As does Palestine, despite Hamas and the publicity they receive. And if you expand from Arab to predominantly Muslim, then Jordan, Turkey, Egypt (despite the recent troubles), Indonesia, Tunisia, Pakistan (decreasingly), Iraq (decreasingly) come to mind.
But if by moderate you mean secular (or maybe you mean pseudo-Christian), then, yes, there are not many. Turkey is, I think, secular.
Okay, gotta go. But, dude, your ignorance is amazing.
The problem is that none of the countries you mention can really do anything to make a difference. They're either too weak, or in turmoil like Egypt. The only exception is Turkey, but Turks and Arabs hate each other. Turkish intervention in any Arab state would be throwing gasoline on a fire.
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