tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post3155628847059245994..comments2023-11-02T08:28:08.286-05:00Comments on Rany on the Royals: My Royals Hall Of Fame Ballot.Ranyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09713226276377020284noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-70406702811750942092011-03-25T01:56:42.630-05:002011-03-25T01:56:42.630-05:00curt.nelson- If Tartabull was under the older, mo...curt.nelson- If Tartabull was under the older, more arbitrary system, and the new system is a reward for the fan, perhaps fans should get a chance to vote for the player who ranks first all time in slugging percentage, OPS and OPS+ in Royals history? Top 5 in OBP and batting WAR? Top 10 in batting average, home runs and RBI? While he was here, he was the best offensive player that the Royals KHAZADhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06625151001857035616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-25475078190125668862011-03-24T23:19:24.892-05:002011-03-24T23:19:24.892-05:00Well then, curt, don't count on me attending a...Well then, curt, don't count on me attending any hof ceremonies because if Danny Tartabull can't make it, hell, can't even still be ELIGIBLE for this franchise, then the people that vote for it are frauds.<br /><br />Tartabull's averages for his five years: 25 HR, 85 RBI, with a line of .290/.376/.518 with OPS+ of 144. Yes, that's right 144. And your educated "voters"Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08539831989596501354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-24115083265372830162011-03-24T00:24:30.720-05:002011-03-24T00:24:30.720-05:00Chris--
Danny Tartabull was absolutely eligible i...Chris--<br /><br />Danny Tartabull was absolutely eligible in multiple Royals Hall of Fame voting cycles from the first time he became eligible under the previous rules - which was have been 2001.<br /><br />The new voting system more closely resembles the National Baseball Hall of Fame system in that there is now a ballot with eligible players. The eligible players on any particular ballot now curt.nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258599325901768030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-5536831528427548662011-03-23T20:14:58.299-05:002011-03-23T20:14:58.299-05:00To curt.nelson--
So let me get this straight. Kri...To curt.nelson--<br /><br />So let me get this straight. Kris Wilson somehow deserved to be on the ballot because he fits some criteria set up by the Royals committee yet Danny Tartabull does not make it due to this same arbitrary criteria. <br /><br />Are you f****** kidding me?<br /><br />Now I have another piece of the puzzle of why this organization has been screwed up for so long....Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08539831989596501354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-42779715100719104402011-03-23T19:37:51.567-05:002011-03-23T19:37:51.567-05:00Tartabull does have a stronger case than DDJ. Jac...Tartabull does have a stronger case than DDJ. Jackson doesn't have near the WARP that DDJ does. I know he was crazy awesome, but time put in has to account for something too. And I wouldn't vote him in because he was a nice guy. And what does the perennial 95-loss team have to do with anything? Would you keep Brett out if he were 20 years younger and played on those shit teams? Why Antonio.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08740155942210835984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-62575740484429599872011-03-23T19:00:35.564-05:002011-03-23T19:00:35.564-05:00Tom,
Terrific comment.
I remember that Quisenber...Tom,<br /><br />Terrific comment.<br /><br />I remember that Quisenberry was not any good and Howser lost confidence in him. I had forgetten how much impact that had on the games.<br /><br />I used to love Leibrandt. He was very good. I looked him up and he had a 6.3 WAR in 1985 and was 5th in CYA voting.<br /><br />I also remember a quote from him in the paper at his prime saying he threw Kansas Cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16630367629067743935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-57562010874145559992011-03-23T18:20:19.762-05:002011-03-23T18:20:19.762-05:00In the Hall of Fame Post, Rany perpetuates the myt...In the Hall of Fame Post, Rany perpetuates the myth, first created by Bill James in his 1986 Abstract, that Dick Howser "out-managed" Bobby Cox in the 1985 ALCS by replacing Bret Saberhagen with Charlie Leibrandt after 3 innings. I have a tape of the game and Saberhagen was hit in the hand by a shot off the bat of Willie Upshaw in the 1st inning. The hand swelled and he was removed Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05389962803222703270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-20320140149889083442011-03-23T08:25:14.595-05:002011-03-23T08:25:14.595-05:00Well I would argue back that he hit over .300 twic...Well I would argue back that he hit over .300 twice, never stole more then 11 bases in a season, and his high in home runs was 13. He never drove in more then 73 runs and scored over 100 runs once. He never sniffed an All-Star game. If you want him in the HOF then I guess that's your opinion but I'm hoping the future in KC produces players that jump off the page as "YES's" Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06859129867234038845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-76998238826197784992011-03-23T01:26:48.651-05:002011-03-23T01:26:48.651-05:00I have to agree with Sean. Dejesus was an all aro...I have to agree with Sean. Dejesus was an all around average player. His greatest strength was a lack of weakness. He was average to slightly above, but not nearly good enough to be in the Hall. On a good team, he's a contributor, but not a star. He's what Melky Cabrera was when he was a Yankee.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17250964134282394393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-83233215716585923702011-03-22T23:34:20.841-05:002011-03-22T23:34:20.841-05:00I'm sorry, Sean, but did you say a qualificati...I'm sorry, Sean, but did you say a qualification of being a Hall of Famer is that the front office has to be good at its job in player acquisition? What does the surrounding team or who we netted when we traded him (a poor time to trade DDJ) have to do with what he did when he was on the field in Blue?Antonio.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08740155942210835984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-2014638224112380342011-03-22T10:07:46.974-05:002011-03-22T10:07:46.974-05:00I don't see how DeJesus could be voted in. He...I don't see how DeJesus could be voted in. He was a pretty good player on awful Royal teams. He was traded in his prime and netted Vin Mazarro. Royals HOF wouldn't be an honor if that qualifies in my opinion.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06859129867234038845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-37421572069983867472011-03-21T10:20:05.346-05:002011-03-21T10:20:05.346-05:00'He was such a fan favorite that Frank White, ...'He was such a fan favorite that Frank White, now the rightful all time Royals 2nd baseman, was treated badly by fans and media alike when taking his place.'<br /><br /> ......KHAZAD, did you ever wonder if maybe there was another reason for the harsh treatment of White? Something a little more...how you say...black and white?McGoldencrownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14169498300024406960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-58048267356912772852011-03-21T10:04:29.092-05:002011-03-21T10:04:29.092-05:00gdfgfhfghfghgfhgfhdfhdfhgdfgfhfghfghgfhgfhdfhdfhkcghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06362423366736243156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-13278765867635825262011-03-20T16:35:21.888-05:002011-03-20T16:35:21.888-05:00Also, I noticed that those comparisons weren't...Also, I noticed that those comparisons weren't in the 900 range, meaning they weren't THAT similar. And really, Ozzie is the only one that really isn't questioned as far as the HoF goes...well, other than Wallace, but he's from turn of the century and debating his merit would truly be head scratching. And I for one really hope Omar doesn't make it, but he will.Antonio.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08740155942210835984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-9064418822509425382011-03-20T16:03:50.006-05:002011-03-20T16:03:50.006-05:00I don't know when they voted back then, but Ma...I don't know when they voted back then, but Maranville died January 5th of the year he was elected in the Hall...and his vote % went up 20.8 points. Coincidental? I think the thought was that he wasn't a Hall of Famer but enough people gave him a sympathy vote to make him one.Antonio.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08740155942210835984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-19241750584188724862011-03-20T13:19:56.463-05:002011-03-20T13:19:56.463-05:00Thanks for the great article! I have never given ...Thanks for the great article! I have never given the Royals' HOF much thought, but it was interesting to read how its members stack up against each other. I also enjoyed your Charlie Liebrandt digression! I was at that game 4 of the ALCS in 1985 & it is one of my outstanding, albeit depressing, baseball memories. I will never forget how quietly the packed stadium emptied after the Andy G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07895045917315637135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-24119038298199537842011-03-20T01:41:50.176-05:002011-03-20T01:41:50.176-05:00...and payed 100% of player salaries...and payed 100% of player salariesMcGoldencrownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14169498300024406960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-33775123132870470142011-03-20T00:16:16.475-05:002011-03-20T00:16:16.475-05:00McGoldercrown - I wanted to address your question ...McGoldercrown - I wanted to address your question about why Danny Tartabull does not appear on the 2011 Royals Hall of Fame ballot.<br /><br />The entire Royals Hall of Fame voting process was changed for 2011. To be eligible for the first time, players must have been active with the Royals for at least three (3) seasons and accumulated a minimum of 1,500 plate appearances or 150 innings pitched.curt.nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258599325901768030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-47269879781778024262011-03-19T15:03:17.044-05:002011-03-19T15:03:17.044-05:00Cookie Rojas is a legitimate member of the Royal&#...Cookie Rojas is a legitimate member of the Royal's HOF. Jon Morse has already made my point well, but I will chime in also.<br /><br />Cookie Rojas was the unquestioned leader and fan favorite of the early Royals. He came to the team as a respected veteran.(perhaps the first veteran here who was still a good player) He was an all star 4 consecutive years. The double play combo of Rojas and KHAZADhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06625151001857035616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-5507166258884860542011-03-19T06:43:54.631-05:002011-03-19T06:43:54.631-05:00Rany, how does a guy who put up a pre-steroid era ...Rany, how does a guy who put up a pre-steroid era stat line of .290/.376/.518/.894 w/ a 144 OPS+ over 5 seasons, averaging 465 ab, 28 d, 25 hr, 85 rbi, 65 bb (twice top 20 MVP vote-12, 17) NOT at least get on the ballot? Its a buncha Bull I say....McGoldencrownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14169498300024406960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-12681475714431694992011-03-19T06:22:50.651-05:002011-03-19T06:22:50.651-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.McGoldencrownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14169498300024406960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-83754633781726911302011-03-18T16:58:17.001-05:002011-03-18T16:58:17.001-05:00Rany, you discuss Rojas from a somewhat detached v...Rany, you discuss Rojas from a somewhat detached view here, and to be honest I'm not sure whether you disapprove of his induction, or whether you view it exactly the same way I do but simply didn't expand on that point in your post. So, depending on which is true I'm either going to try and convince you or I'm going to provide an addendum for you. :)<br /><br />As you note, he Jon Morsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05437180650709891937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-63471879366351832652011-03-18T16:25:39.603-05:002011-03-18T16:25:39.603-05:00Does anyone find it curious that the founders of t...Does anyone find it curious that the founders of the Hall named it the "Hall of Fame"? They could have named it the "Hall of Greatness" or the "Hall of Most Valuable Players" or the "Hall of Counting Numbers." (and the tired joke about "Hall of Pretty Good" would be a lot funnier if they had.) They could have also established statistical goal Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02349888639827938204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-56411658065943126012011-03-18T14:26:17.646-05:002011-03-18T14:26:17.646-05:00Bryan, Liebrandt was actually acquired in a trade ...Bryan, Liebrandt was actually acquired in a trade with the Cincinnati Reds.kstatejedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07527476297600105526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-29337480156997463072011-03-18T12:03:16.758-05:002011-03-18T12:03:16.758-05:00Very nice analysis, Rany, but I hope your voting m...Very nice analysis, Rany, but I hope your voting methodology is not so rigid that it can't accommodate the living highlight reel, Bo Jackson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com