tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post1566890019833463759..comments2023-11-02T08:28:08.286-05:00Comments on Rany on the Royals: Feeling Soria For The Rays.Ranyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09713226276377020284noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-20955969370923948482008-10-30T18:21:00.000-05:002008-10-30T18:21:00.000-05:00Duckworth?!Duckworth?!Antonio.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08740155942210835984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-17168832998487383982008-10-28T17:15:00.000-05:002008-10-28T17:15:00.000-05:00I agree with allowing Soria to pitch in other situ...I agree with allowing Soria to pitch in other situations than the beginning of the 9th with no outs and no one on.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10925639369677570861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-417602237231359692008-10-21T19:48:00.000-05:002008-10-21T19:48:00.000-05:00anonymous 3:05,I still like Soria in the rotation ...anonymous 3:05,<BR/>I still like Soria in the rotation but I could live with what you propose. That is simply the old school model of closer or fireman. Bring him in when you actually need him.<BR/><BR/>I have called Hillmoore "old school" but what I guess I really mean is conservative. A true old school guy might do what you propose. But, Hillmoore so far is simply cautious, conservative Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-78112679299572184562008-10-21T15:05:00.000-05:002008-10-21T15:05:00.000-05:00I've always been of the opinion that if Soria was ...I've always been of the opinion that if Soria was used in a better capacity, like say 90-115 innings a year, that he would be more useful as the closer.<BR/><BR/>The problem is, which do I see happening first, that two traditional baseball guys like Dayton Moore and Trey Hillman decide to totally buck all of recent baseball tradition and use their closer for anything other than 1 inning save Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-9267386888713291852008-10-21T11:42:00.000-05:002008-10-21T11:42:00.000-05:00I have to agree with many others that using Soria ...I have to agree with many others that using Soria as a starter makes more sense to me. Dempster, Smoltz, etc. have proven it can be done effectively. With Ramon Ramirez, Leo Nunez, and Ron Mahay, we can scramble a closer -- at least one as good as Grant Balfour or the remains of Troy Percival.<BR/><BR/>Getting *to* the postseason has to take priority over what to do if/when one gets there. I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-55447319476806265642008-10-20T20:31:00.000-05:002008-10-20T20:31:00.000-05:00Jason Varitek at catcher next year would be like P...Jason Varitek at catcher next year would be like Paul Bako, except with an onerous contract (although one not quite as idiotic as Jose Guillen's) and lots of noise from Treyton Moorman about how great he is at "handling the staff" and "doing stuff that doesn't show up in box scores."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-76261057934830049022008-10-20T14:55:00.000-05:002008-10-20T14:55:00.000-05:00Rany,I'm a Royals fan living in Boston... What are...Rany,<BR/><BR/>I'm a Royals fan living in Boston... What are your thoughts of the Royals going after Varitek this off-season? I'd love Tek to help the young pitchers for a few years, even if his offense has steadily declined.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-62757211720957204642008-10-20T09:53:00.000-05:002008-10-20T09:53:00.000-05:00Rany --Eagerly awaiting your post about how if the...Rany --<BR/><BR/>Eagerly awaiting your post about how if the Rays were anywhere near as smart as the Royals, they would "leave well enough alone" and keep Price as their closer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-83311331227103749822008-10-20T08:29:00.000-05:002008-10-20T08:29:00.000-05:00Yeah, because there is no way Jon Lieber and Ryan ...Yeah, because there is no way Jon Lieber and Ryan Dempster could ever think about throwing more than 120 innings a year after they had TJS.<BR/>If Dayton Moore has shown anything in his time in Kansas City, it's his ability to string together a good bullpen. Look at the heap of dead he has brought back to life: Ramon Ramirez, Robinson Tejeda & Horacio Ramirez.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-86471419264628370072008-10-20T01:18:00.000-05:002008-10-20T01:18:00.000-05:00Rany:I know you helped found BP, but is there any ...Rany:<BR/><BR/>I know you helped found BP, but is there any way you can stop pretending that FRAA is a particularly useful stat for understanding defense? It might help for historical comparisons, but it's not even as good as Zone Rating, and is a joke compared to RZR/OOZ, UZR, or Dewan's.<BR/><BR/>It's not a huge deal, and I don't want to come off as an elitist. But it's weird coming from a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-15039078319886112802008-10-19T22:44:00.000-05:002008-10-19T22:44:00.000-05:00I just came home from waiting tables to see the la...I just came home from waiting tables to see the last three outs of Game 7. Who's pitching? David Price.<BR/><BR/>David Price who should have been our first round pick in 2007. Buddy Bell in last throes of futility couldn't even lose one of the last three games again the Tigers, who were headed to the playoffs, to secure us the number one pick.<BR/><BR/>Although I'm happy for the Rays, and Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12275276577448843877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-29177985355350854822008-10-19T10:34:00.000-05:002008-10-19T10:34:00.000-05:00My vote will always be move Soria to the rotation....My vote will always be move Soria to the rotation. Rany, are you saying that if the Royals move Soria to the rotation they can make it to hosting game 7 of the ALCS? And you are trying to make this a negative thing?<BR/><BR/>Yeah, lets's keep Soria as the starter. You guys are right. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The Royals are the team to beat in 09. Their 4th place finish and -100 run Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-21029382663850056432008-10-18T13:31:00.000-05:002008-10-18T13:31:00.000-05:00either way, these guys know more than me so it's n...either way, these guys know more than me so it's not my decision to make. would you rather: Have a dominant closer, or possible dominant starter? Let us not forget but I think Soria is the only pitcher anywhere on the staff with a no-hitter under his belt. Could be nice to have a guy to every now and again flirt with perfection like that.Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12286026604847008516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-13196853882559819002008-10-18T10:19:00.000-05:002008-10-18T10:19:00.000-05:00In case you missed Dayton Moore's thoughts on the ...In case you missed Dayton Moore's thoughts on the matter, as reported by Dick Kaegel <A HREF="http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081008&content_id=3603591&vkey=news_kc&fext=.jsp&c_id=kc" REL="nofollow">here</A> at MLB.com:<BR/><BR/><I>Beefing up a rotation headed by Gil Meche and Zack Greinke is a priority, but it will not be done by bringing Joakim Soria out of the bullpen Tom in HDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12807626267383254906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-73566303552270130842008-10-18T05:03:00.000-05:002008-10-18T05:03:00.000-05:00Soria is probably more valuable in the rotation if...Soria is probably more valuable in the rotation if healthy, when you consider the need to get to the playoffs as well as succeed in them. I think the injury risk should be the deciding factor. Does Will Carrol have an opinion? I'd like to hear some objective analysis on the question of whether Soria is more or less likely to remain healthy in the rotation.Nathan Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12578105396313454754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-91580950154433715632008-10-17T22:41:00.000-05:002008-10-17T22:41:00.000-05:00The question is, how much good does it do if Soria...The question is, how much good does it do if Soria only lasts 120 innings before blowing out his arm again? <BR/><BR/>Leave him in the closer role to dominate there and not overuse his arm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-84429636146130716132008-10-17T18:56:00.000-05:002008-10-17T18:56:00.000-05:00I also still agree with Soria moving to the rotati...I also still agree with Soria moving to the rotation and that Ramirez could be a great (or good enough) closer. Especially since Hillman uses him stupidly much of the time just to pad his stats.<BR/><BR/>Lousy starters and a great closer will still be too few wins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-42003241434523950862008-10-17T17:33:00.000-05:002008-10-17T17:33:00.000-05:00Great, you feel good when Soria comes in because y...Great, you feel good when Soria comes in because you know the game is over. You know what? You would get the same feeling with Ramon Ramirez. He had a better FIP and xFIP this year than Soria. Yes, we have a lock down guy, but I think Ramirez is just as good, without the save numbers. You do have to get to the postseason first, and to accomplish that, Soria in the rotation as a #3 starter Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-6702092000566215612008-10-17T16:53:00.000-05:002008-10-17T16:53:00.000-05:00Leave Soria where he is. It's a great feeling to ...Leave Soria where he is. It's a great feeling to know the game is over after the 8th if we have a lead. And yes, use him with runners on base for gosh sakes! The save situation isn't always in the 9th. You ever watch the CWS? They use closers in the 4th and 5th if the need calls for it.<BR/><BR/>Davies and Hochevar should be in the rotation next year as well as Bannister. Another starter Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-564675237631758932008-10-17T15:17:00.000-05:002008-10-17T15:17:00.000-05:00we could certainly use another starter, but davies...we could certainly use another starter, but davies i think should pretty much be a lock at this point and we should give a shot to duckworth.<BR/><BR/>duckworth has been relatively consistent throughout his time with the royals. if he can stay healthy (big if), i think he could be one of those backend guys who goes 12-10 with a 4.54 ERA. someone like jason marquis or jeff suppan or doug davis, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-8540799241819393852008-10-17T15:02:00.000-05:002008-10-17T15:02:00.000-05:00Still disagree.What, I'm supposed to be comforted ...Still disagree.<BR/><BR/>What, I'm supposed to be comforted by the fact that our team might fare well in the post season because of two great strikeout starters and an awesome closer?<BR/><BR/>Sadly, there are TWO aspects of post season success: First, you need to do well, and the "secret sauce" is inarguably important to that, and second, you have to, you know, ACTUALLY FRICKING QUALIFY FOR THE Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-6344840201200739172008-10-17T13:04:00.000-05:002008-10-17T13:04:00.000-05:00if it ain't broke don't fix it. it and there's mor...if it ain't broke don't fix it. it and there's more broken than not.<BR/>but yes, please do pitch soria a few 2+ inning appearances. good call there.-alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07704917999133191623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-5945963655652172642008-10-17T12:46:00.000-05:002008-10-17T12:46:00.000-05:00Amen. Case Closed. And great point about Soria alr...Amen. Case Closed. And great point about Soria already having undergone Tommy John and not needing the stress of a 200-inning season on his arm. He is a great fit as the Royals' closer, and Dayton Moore just needs to find another starter via trade or free agency this offseason. The pieces to this puzzle are slowly starting to fit together, and I am excited for this team's future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-83636666704736075782008-10-17T12:33:00.000-05:002008-10-17T12:33:00.000-05:00Soria should be the closer. I really enjoy having ...Soria should be the closer. I really enjoy having confidence that our leads will be kept in the last couple innings. Find someone else to be in the rotation.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06724762188819999134noreply@blogger.com