tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post1529546450752461991..comments2023-11-02T08:28:08.286-05:00Comments on Rany on the Royals: For Want Of A Pitcher, Part 2.Ranyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09713226276377020284noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-64942356901588548742011-10-17T14:00:36.818-05:002011-10-17T14:00:36.818-05:00Link didn't work. Previous quote was from the ...Link didn't work. Previous quote was from the 15th paragraph of this article: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/16/3211763/royals-still-rich-down-on-the.htmlErichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12978198364401006363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-91145234595564841792011-10-17T07:32:43.682-05:002011-10-17T07:32:43.682-05:00From the KC Star: “We’re going to take the same co...From the KC Star: “We’re going to take the same course we’ve been taking,” Moore said. “I don’t think we’ll do much with free agents unless it makes really good sense. We explore trade possibilities and keep growing our own kids.” <a rel="nofollow">Link.</a>Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12978198364401006363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-54329665412001908752011-10-13T12:11:48.378-05:002011-10-13T12:11:48.378-05:00If what you say is true about Vlad, that can only ...If what you say is true about Vlad, that can only mean they are looking to move Butler for pitching. He can't do anything but DH at this point in his career.<br /><br />Let's get on to the trade targets, Rany!Royalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04526160862311648858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-27415675224873393112011-10-13T09:51:33.421-05:002011-10-13T09:51:33.421-05:00@ Antonio:
Kinda my point on Procello - good offe...@ Antonio:<br /><br />Kinda my point on Procello - good offense can make up for SOME pitching deficencies, huh?<br /><br />As for the Smoltz trade, I admit I would have preferred to watch him pitch for 10 years. But he wasn't gonna help out those pathetic Tigers teams of the 1990s anyway.K.C.Tigerfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09382894111630998821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-68559808316154790422011-10-13T09:48:09.921-05:002011-10-13T09:48:09.921-05:00Nevermind my rants, I just saw on Bleacher Report ...Nevermind my rants, I just saw on Bleacher Report that the Royals are targeting Vlad Guerrero. What an upgrade in either the outfield or DH! Now thats some offense!<br /><br />Excuse me while I go shoot myself.<br /><br />Not exactly the improvement I wanted.K.C.Tigerfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09382894111630998821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-40077284656684681682011-10-12T23:37:41.382-05:002011-10-12T23:37:41.382-05:00The Tigers basically won despite Porcello. League...The Tigers basically won despite Porcello. League average offensive or worse and Porcello easily has a losing record. The Tigers scored 5.76 for Porcello. The best offense in the league scored 5.40.Antonio.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08740155942210835984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-4235263613366724492011-10-12T23:31:07.448-05:002011-10-12T23:31:07.448-05:00And to be fair, Tigerfan, you used hindsight by po...And to be fair, Tigerfan, you used hindsight by pointing out that Alexander helped the Tigers to the playoffs...something which was most certainly not known at the time of the deadline. They didn't know they were trading away an eventual Hall of Famer, but they didn't know they were trading for a guy that would go 9-0 with a 3-something WAR for the remainder of the season.Antonio.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08740155942210835984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-22327852410805552832011-10-12T23:26:53.553-05:002011-10-12T23:26:53.553-05:00No, Michael, I do not. But I give a hell of a lot...No, Michael, I do not. But I give a hell of a lot more weight to WAR than I do most other stats. I think Win Shares is the only thing I'd put above WAR, but WAR is more easily understood by people that are beyond basic stats or basic sabr stats. And I'm not saying I prefer Getz...I specifically said no love for Getz and plenty for Giavotella...but Johnny G wasn't the clear upgrade Antonio.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08740155942210835984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-77153504107549398272011-10-12T15:42:02.156-05:002011-10-12T15:42:02.156-05:00Here's another thought. Everyone has talked a...Here's another thought. Everyone has talked about the possibility of regression by the outfield, but what if they are even better next year?? It's not totally out of the realm of possibility. I don't expect it, in fact, I honestly do expect regression, but that's simply because we had an AWESOME outfield last year. If Melky had any range in center, it would have been one of Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17250964134282394393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-51906967086275883902011-10-12T10:14:23.163-05:002011-10-12T10:14:23.163-05:00I think the lineup and defense will be fine. They...I think the lineup and defense will be fine. They could go out and bring in Kelly Johnson to play 2B. Or trade Cabrera to get more playing time for Cain. But with everything Hosmer/Moustakas/Giavotella have done in the minors, they should be acceptable options for 2012. Any regression by the outfield "should" be made up by improvements with the rookies.Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07404885023695750077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-64150257359539845582011-10-12T10:12:36.100-05:002011-10-12T10:12:36.100-05:00From the things that I have read about Knapp, he s...From the things that I have read about Knapp, he seems like a pretty decent pitching coach. The Tigers had very talented pitchers, but I am sure Knapp helped a little along the way. Bringing in Knapp "may" be the shake up the Royals needed. McClure was not getting it done, but who knows how much of it was his fault.<br /><br />As for Fister, that was a very good signing. I didn'Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07404885023695750077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-23075579191622919002011-10-12T07:39:21.355-05:002011-10-12T07:39:21.355-05:00@ pjbronco:
Rick Knapp, who was fired by Detroit ...@ pjbronco:<br /><br />Rick Knapp, who was fired by Detroit mid-season, was hired by KC as the "organizational" pitching coach. That's my guess to fill the role with the major league club. For what its worth, he was seen as a scapegoat for the struggles the Tigers had after the All-Star break, before they went on their run to clinch. They wanted a shake-up, so he was axed.K.C.Tigerfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09382894111630998821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-39528913493324096612011-10-12T07:34:18.440-05:002011-10-12T07:34:18.440-05:00@ Antonio
Sure Smoltz turned out to be the better...@ Antonio<br /><br />Sure Smoltz turned out to be the better long term player. But nobody knew that for sure at the time. PROSPECTS ARE NOT A SURE THING. Do I really need to point that out to a Royals fan?????<br /><br />"The worst mistake an organization can make is falling in love with its own prosects." Not sure who said that, but I have seen it quoted by Rany himself.<br /><br /K.C.Tigerfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09382894111630998821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-47867089529601592552011-10-12T06:30:54.475-05:002011-10-12T06:30:54.475-05:00So, Antonio, you base all worth on a player with o...So, Antonio, you base all worth on a player with one stat? WAR is an indicator of value, but it's not the end all be all testament to a players worth. <br /><br />Just answer this question honestly, who would you rather have playing second base for us next year, Johnny Giavotella or Chris Getz?Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17250964134282394393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-43776546830954948092011-10-11T21:24:45.227-05:002011-10-11T21:24:45.227-05:00With Smoltz, Detroit has a much better chance of m...With Smoltz, Detroit has a much better chance of making numerous play offs...remember when they had the powerhouse hitting ...and no pitching?Antonio.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08740155942210835984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-33676438677390553702011-10-11T21:18:21.805-05:002011-10-11T21:18:21.805-05:00Johnny Giavotella: .247/.273/.376 .649 77 OPS+ ...Johnny Giavotella: .247/.273/.376 .649 77 OPS+ -.5 WAR<br /><br />Chris Getz: .255/.313/.287 .600 68 OPS+ .5 WAR<br /><br />No love for Getz, plenty for Johnny G, but due to better defense and stealing, Getz had a better season.Antonio.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08740155942210835984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-56797124381072051612011-10-11T21:10:05.875-05:002011-10-11T21:10:05.875-05:00Crawford has been approximately a 3.5 WAR player a...Crawford has been approximately a 3.5 WAR player annually in his career. He had one really good seasons, one good season and several okay/slightly above average seasons...Antonio.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08740155942210835984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-75285244375425916722011-10-11T21:02:47.920-05:002011-10-11T21:02:47.920-05:00I wouldn't say trading DDJ after he'd been...I wouldn't say trading DDJ after he'd been shelved for two months is trading him when his peak is at his highest. If he'd been traded in the summer, yes. But since he was hurt, I think the Royals would have been better served keeping him to prove he had recovered and then traded him. It's not like we couldn't have received the same basic package by waiting...Antonio.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08740155942210835984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-47425506494920271832011-10-11T20:14:38.602-05:002011-10-11T20:14:38.602-05:00Living in Colorado, I hear nothing and the KC Star...Living in Colorado, I hear nothing and the KC Star is of very little help. Any speculation about who the pitching coach will be?pjbroncohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08277672919143161617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-64450718326898291972011-10-11T17:50:20.823-05:002011-10-11T17:50:20.823-05:00Harang has mutual option with Padres. If the money...Harang has mutual option with Padres. If the money available as a free agent is better than a 1/5, he'll pass on the option.Hushpookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01336844976997111880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-3210620659712400722011-10-11T17:11:51.005-05:002011-10-11T17:11:51.005-05:00I disagree, because we already had the 6th best of...I disagree, because we already had the 6th best offense in the AL, and I honestly do see us making even more progress next season. <br /><br />Remember, coming into this year, our bottom third was almost like pitching against a weak NL team, with Getz, Treanor, and Escobar down there. Two of those easy outs have been replaced by young promising rookies, and Escobar seemed to get a lot better asMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17250964134282394393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-87467910538436623152011-10-11T16:03:39.615-05:002011-10-11T16:03:39.615-05:00Michael and Kyle:
I was referring to Porcello. H...Michael and Kyle:<br /><br />I was referring to Porcello. He pitched good enough to compile a decent record for a playoff team, and he was homegrown, is my point. Anyway, I think we all agree, sorry if I misunderstood. We are going to have to trade for an ace, anbd it will take some prospects which will make most fans queasy. I am down for that, though. As for free agents, I say we re-sign K.C.Tigerfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09382894111630998821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-22163520730196251092011-10-11T15:21:05.527-05:002011-10-11T15:21:05.527-05:00Verlander is homegrown, but who else was? Sherzer...Verlander is homegrown, but who else was? Sherzer was brought over in that Curtis Granderson trade, which was pretty darn good for all parties. Since the Dbacks, Yankees, and Tigers were all in the playoffs. Procello has had a pretty rough go at it over the last couple of years. Fister was a pretty good move, and no one saw it coming. Everyone talked about the Ubaldo move the Indians pulled Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07404885023695750077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-66016858443702265292011-10-11T14:35:34.966-05:002011-10-11T14:35:34.966-05:00Tiger Fan-I never once said anyone was untradeable...Tiger Fan-I never once said anyone was untradeable. In fact, I'm the one advocating that we offer Seattle a killer package for King Felix. He'd be worth it, in my opinion. I'd even be willing to trade Hosmer as part of the package.<br /><br />What I've advocated for this offseason is simple. I want 2 pitchers who are better than anyone we currently have. I'd prefer that Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17250964134282394393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3129904004334636055.post-72195494623226349122011-10-11T14:14:58.152-05:002011-10-11T14:14:58.152-05:00@ Michael:
What rock were you living under while ...@ Michael:<br /><br />What rock were you living under while Moose hit around .200? How many late season surges do we have to sit through, and then watch the next year as our projections are dashed. Not saying it will happen, or that I want it to happen, but it always seems to, huh? Didn't Kyle Davies look good last September?<br /><br />And while I was under my rock, I was watching the K.C.Tigerfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09382894111630998821noreply@blogger.com